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 樓主| 發表於 2009年7月21日 11:46 PM | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 lspeng 於 2009年7月21日 11:15 PM 發表
Wing tube的直徑多少?
鋁管換碳纖管重量砍一半
伺服機用mini servo即可. 接收電池用900 mAh的LiPo就很夠用.

彭大..我沒有游標卡尺.但我是拿鋼尺量的不知道準不準.量出鋁管直徑應該是25mm.不知道那裡可以買得到這樣子尺寸的碳籤管??.........
嗯..伺服器是使用9650迷妳的.接受電池我是使用這個牌子鋰聚電池7.4V 900MAH 重量52克.......
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[ 本帖最後由 ching33ho1 於 2009年7月22日 01:24 AM 編輯 ]
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發表於 2009年7月22日 01:41 AM | 顯示全部樓層
By careful selecting components, there is a good chance you can get to the reasonable weight range – see below chart for estimated weight.

The key is to weigh every component before put them into the plane, since some components are lighter than others, so take time to pick the lighter one – for example, tail wheel bracket and wheel, the heavy one can weigh 45~55g, but the lighter combo can be had for 25g or less, and the same can be applied to power switch and other components as well.

In addition, try to remove as much unnecessary structures out of the plane to save weight, for example, open up the nose ring – you only need a very thin ring on the outside to maintain the fuselage shape, and no structure is needed here.
Is there any frame in the removable canopy?
If yes, you can remove them and replace it with foam plate (3mm thick) to re-store the strength and help direct the intake cool air path through ESC and flight batteries.


Meanwhile, consider using one elevator servo.
The suggested models (elevator and rudder) on the chart below have more than enough torque to do the job, but they are the lighter choices to consider.


Finally, depends on the flight batteries you plan to use, it can vary by as much as 250g – I am using 800g (8S) to do the estimate since this is the standard for lighter choice in the 4000mA category.
In pattern application, we need consistent power output throughout the entire flight, so avoid high C rating batteries since they are heavier.
Look for lower C rating batteries for lower weight.
For 4000mA range capacity batteries, anything above 17C normal, 22C burst will do the job; the only time you might use maximum throttle is during vertical, and for 8S setup, voltage under heavy load should be around 28V, and by running maximum current of 78.5A under heavy load, will get you around 2200W, which is more than enough to fly this plane.



Kevin


Description
Weight
(grams)
Wing
567
S9650
52
Extension and wire keeper
7


Fuselage
1065
A60-16L
470
ESC
96
ESC extension
10
Arming switch + mounting
25
Spinner
30
Spinner adapter
25
APC-e 18x12 (estimate)
60
Receiver battery
52
Receiver
13
Elevator servo (S9551)
45
Rudder servo (S9151)
50
Elevator pushrod/horn (Est.)
40
Rudder cable/horn (Est.)
20
Battery tray (Est.)
15
Power switch (Est.)
15
Open up nosering (Est.)
-5
Open cowl cooling hole (Est.)
-5
Remove existing firewall (Est.)
-45
Replacement firewall (Est.)
30
Remove canopy frame (Est.)
-15
Misc. hardware
20


Stab/Elev
118


Wing tube (Aluminum)
146
Wing tube (Carbon Fiber)
-79


Landing gear (Aluminum)
180
Landing gear (Carbon Fiber)
-55
Wheel
20
Axle
10
Wheel pants + mounting
40


Tail wheel bracket
15
Tail wheel
10


Empty weight
3042


Battery 4000mA, 8S (Est.)
800


Total weight (estimate)
3842
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發表於 2009年7月22日 01:45 AM | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 ching33ho1 於 2009年7月21日 11:46 PM 發表

彭大..我沒有游標卡尺.但我是拿鋼尺量的不知道準不準.量出鋁管直徑應該是25mm.不知道那裡可以買得到這樣子尺寸的碳籤管??.........

You can purchase the Carbon Fiber wing tube here:  http://www.buddengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P2X7TAS&Category_Code=P
The total length is 510mm, so if your current tube is shorter, just cut it down - which will save even more weight...
Kevin
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 樓主| 發表於 2009年7月22日 11:12 AM | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 ksung 於 2009年7月22日 01:41 AM 發表
By careful selecting components, there is a good chance you can get to the reasonable weight range – see below chart for estimated weight.

The key is to weigh every component before put them into t ...

感謝..加州台客幫宋老大的圖表和建議
剛剛目測看了一下.這台機首放置電池夾板和F1鼻圈和座艙隔板這部份.應該是可以把多餘材料給它拆除和打簿.我想應該可以減少80~100克左右
尾輪架構重量我還沒有秤.等中午時秤秤看希望只有25克左右
升降舵S9551.方向舵S9151伺服器....好..我去買2顆來使用
電池這部份就傷腦筋.我只有找到8S 4200MAH 18C 電池重量是918克重...........好...我在找找看800克電池好了
希望可以減重剩下3842克起飛重量X550W每1公斤=2113.1瓦
最高78.5A有2200瓦...那麼特技飛行應該是決對沒有問題了
謝謝宋老大您給碳籤管的資訊喔
(等中午補機子圖)

[ 本帖最後由 ching33ho1 於 2009年7月22日 05:11 PM 編輯 ]
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發表於 2009年7月22日 12:11 PM | 顯示全部樓層
我的wing tube也是25mm直徑
鋁管: 102克
碳纖管: 52克

伺服機我用Hitec 225MG, 一顆31克.
別忘了鋰電池需要穩壓器. 我用JACCO 6V, 12克
若有ESC的干擾, 要在油門線加上濾波器, 11克. (2.4GHz則不必)

8S能有70Amp就相當不錯. 負載電壓 3.6x8=28.8V, 輸入功率 ~2000瓦
機身重量若在4公斤, 輸出效率85%, 則功率重量比有
2000x0.85/4= 425瓦/公斤, 相當不錯啦!

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發表於 2009年7月22日 12:51 PM | 顯示全部樓層

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The preference here, as you already know, is the Thunder Power Prolite V2.  If you can talk the distributor into purchasing some that will be great, but if that is not possible, then try to find some lighter but known good quality batteries to experiment.  Good quality battery will hold stable voltage under heavy load (around 3.5V per cell) at the end of the flight, especially after many cycles later.  Keep in mind that being light is not the only thing to look for, after all, we need battery that can perform as well.

Kevin
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